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    • CommentAuthorOuroboros
    • CommentTimeFeb 10th 2008 edited
     

    I shared a vial of my lavender bitters with trismegistos and dshenaut the other evening. After they smelled and tasted a drop, I was asked to recite the infusion list. I was schooled by D who said "perhaps it is more a tincture, since it has no classic bittering element".

    What are our operating definitions for these two terms, bitters and tinctures? There are a number of herbs and seeds and roots that we might put to use against a spirit to acheive a balance of interesting flavors. How were these botanicals classified in the era of pharmacy preparations? How do we think about them now?

    I bought Quassia and Gentian from a TCM herbalist. He remarked, "that's two of the three bitterest herbs I have". Of course I asked after that third, he meant Wormwood. To my taste, all three have individual qualities around their strong bitter profile.

    Are there other classic bittering agents?
    What other herbs are there that aren't quite strong enough to be considered classic but contribute to the overall bitter taste?

    I know I would find it interesting exercise to collaborate here on sketching a spectrum of bitter. And happy to put a little work towards a tasting experience to evaluate our opinions.

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      CommentAuthoreje
    • CommentTimeFeb 10th 2008
     

    Wormwood and Rue are usually given as the two bitterest herbs commonly used medicinally.

    You missed the really obvious Quinine (Cinchona Bark).  Loves me some Quinquina.  Also, Angostura (aka Cusparia febrifuga,Cusparia Bark, Galipea officinalis) is sometimes used, notably in Fee's Aromatic Bitters.  Columbo also shows up in some classic bitters recipes.  Tansy.  Milk Thistle.

    I'm sure there are bitterer ones, but they are probably (more?) toxic.

    A lot of citrus has some bitter character on its own.  I've noticed the oil from some mandarins can be quite bitter in character.

    I dunno the difference between a tincture and bitters.

    I guess I usually think tinctures tend to strongly feature a single ingredient.

    A tincture of orange, would just be orange peel macerated in alcohol, where orange bitters would typically involve additional spices/herbs and a bittering agent.

    Dictionary.com defines a tincture as, "a solution of alcohol or of alcohol and water, containing animal, vegetable, or chemical drugs."

    • CommentAuthorOuroboros
    • CommentTimeFeb 10th 2008
     

    Thanks, Erik, for some I'd forgotten to mention. Like Cinchona/Peruian/Jesuit Bark, which that herbalist didn't stock. And Angostura, because I sometimes make things invisible when they're in front of me.

    Hops, Burdock, pith and peel of citrus

    Tansy? interesting. Milk Thistle? nifty.

    • CommentAuthordshenaut
    • CommentTimeFeb 10th 2008
     

    great thread.

     

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      CommentAuthorCraig
    • CommentTimeFeb 11th 2008
     

    A Milk Thistle bitters would be a wonderful homeopathic inside joke, no?

    • CommentAuthorOuroboros
    • CommentTimeFeb 12th 2008
     

    Pau d'Arco

    Bitter Melon - there's one that isn't in the European Colonial tradition

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      CommentAuthorDrinkBoy
    • CommentTimeFeb 20th 2008
     

    I think of a tincture as being a single-note product. When working out various recipes for bitters, I will often start by making tinctures of the individual products I'm planning on using and then experiment with combining them in different proportions to see how the flavors work together.

    To be a "bitter" in my mind means that it "should" include bittering agents of some sort, but I think more important is that the flavor is so robust/concentrated that you really wouldn't consider drinking it on its own. For anybody thinking about going "commercial" with their bitters, this is an important point. You want the FDA to classify your product as "non-potable", which will mean you won't be subject to federal liqor taxes. Regan's Orange Bitters had to do through significant re-formulation because the first version was deemed "potable" by the FDA.

    -Robert

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      CommentAuthorjeffmorgen
    • CommentTimeFeb 20th 2008
     
    The very idea of orange bitters being potable is making my stomach shrivel.
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    Speaking of, I think that Jeff's orange bitters, my grapefruit bitters and Daniel's starfruit bitters will all be appearing in the pages of NW Palate next month.

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    Sorry so late to this thread (cough! cough!), but I have to concur wholeheartedly w/ Senor Hess.  The conversation came up with Matthew over the bar because I do have a hard time with the profusion of "bitters" out there that seem to me to be much more of a tincture.  Even with multiple notes (a friend of mine in SF has saffron/cardomom bitters which are great in his drinks, but still don't strike me as "bitters"), it strikes me the definition should be more carefull cultivated as including bittering agents & being highly concentrated. 

    This seems like a very valuable thread that I'd like to see picked up beyond the world of the OBG, as the national community should strive to render more exacting definitions.  But I'm sure that's a few years off...